OK - so everyone jumps on the new guy - so what! See http://registry.net.za/content.php?wiki=1&contentid=112&title=What%20is%20EPP? - it is a technical document on how that particular domain registrar wants things done in the future. This domain registrar conforms to the provision of http://archive.icann.org/en/registrars/redemption-supplement-20feb02.htm in its entirity In fact, the domain registrar is actively pushing for this technology to be implimented by all parties for use in checking the status of domains as well as registering of domains. And the protocol that is to be used is the [heavily redacted - dont say those satanic words] All I want is to see when the FINAL grace period has expired using something other than a web browser and my memory. Seems like all the holier than thou moderators on this forum think that this perfectly legal and accptable methodology (as far as the registrar is concerned) is a crime. It is not - I have already checked with them. So guys, please climb off of your sanctimonious high horse - its not like anything illegal is being suggested. In fact, the domain registrar is actively pushing for this technology to be implimented by all parties for use in checking the status of domains as well as registering of domains. If you think that I have overstepped the mark by daring to question the opinions of the moderator class or by trying to implement a valid protocol in a valid and legal way as per the requirements of the parties that I am attempting to deal with, please feel free to terminate my membership Thus ends the sermon.