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Team System (Team Foundation Server)

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I may be tasked with facilitating in the migration to a "Team System", as they call it here, environment. I have no Team System experience and am wondering about experiences others have had with using Team System or migrating to it.

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I've used it (as a user) a couple of times. I didn't really like it because it doesn't work in the same way as svn which I've got used to. You have to check stuff out to edit it, rather than being able to edit any file.

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I've used it (as a user) a couple of times. I didn't really like it because it doesn't work in the same way as svn which I've got used to. You have to check stuff out to edit it, rather than being able to edit any file.

I've never even looked at Team System but from your description it's much like MS Source Safe. Is that correct Jon?

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I've never even looked at Team System but from your description it's much like MS Source Safe. Is that correct Jon?

Yes, it's somewhat similar. Team Foundation is for bigger projects, while Source Safe is for projects where a hand full of people work together.

I use Source Safe at work, by the way.

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Team Foundation is great for projects with any number of people; it scales really well, though, to extraordinary large teams like we have where I work.

It's basically Source Safe on steroids. The project reporting and tracking features are above and beyond other source control systems I've used. But it can be kind of clunky and it's not as simple to use overall.

On the client side, it bolts right onto VS. On the server side, it's the standard 3-tier system with a pretty simple setup process. I'd say it's about as easy to get going as SharePoint.

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Team Foundation is great for projects with any number of people; it scales really well, though, to extraordinary large teams like we have where I work.

It's basically Source Safe on steroids. The project reporting and tracking features are above and beyond other source control systems I've used. But it can be kind of clunky and it's not as simple to use overall.

On the client side, it bolts right onto VS. On the server side, it's the standard 3-tier system with a pretty simple setup process. I'd say it's about as easy to get going as SharePoint.

-S

Thanks for the info... Have you experienced a migration TO Team Foundation? I think I am less concerned about the installation/configuration as I am translating the current processes.

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Larry, what are the current processes? That's going to have a huge impact in the migration. If you're already using a similar system, then migration may be easy but if you're using something with a radically different philosophy then you're going to need a big hammer to beat the new system into the heads of the user's.

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#8 ·  Posted (edited)

- Source Safe - No Merging... Duplicating VSS Database at every release

- NAnt Build scripts... Alot of notepad coding here...

- InstallShield 2008, 2009, DemoShield 7 (superfluous info probably)

- VS 6,7,8,2008 (9?)

- VB,VC++,VC#

- .NET 2.0

- Web Based TestTrack defect tracking

- Unknown Project Management ... perhaps none

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I have been a participant in the migration from a Visual Source Safe environment to Team Foundation. It isn't simple, but it's straightforward. MS has a clear set of migration instructions that worked for us almost flawlessly. The only thing that gave us a problem, if I recall correctly, is how we processed backup/archived projects, since we were doing it in kind of a non-standard way. The rest of it was simply following directions.

We don't use InstallShield so I can't help you there. Of the things on your list, this one probably matters the most, since the build process is different between the two environments, and thus you may have packaging woes. Probably not but best to be aware at least.

We use Bugzilla (and we hate it, btw) for defect tracking. Does TestTrack integrate at all with VS or VSS? If so, it might be worth doing some research on.

NAnt scripts, custom scripting, associated text files, other kinds of MAKE or BUILD-type scripting, should be no problem. MS really wants you to do it their way, though. :)

It's less worrisome, of course, if you have one or more spare/backup environments. Either way, a code freeze and a couple days of work should have you going.

-S


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Thanks fellas... G E R O N I M O O O O O...


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