Wanto to switch to C++

[MvGulik]

... ...

we I don't kiss the admins' arse, we I respect them

... I guess we all show our respect in different ways.

Ps: Your related to the Borg by any change?

Edited March 5, 2011 by iEvKI3gv9Wrkd41u

[shanet]

... I guess we all show our respect in different ways.

Ps: Your related to the Borg by any change?

The Borg?

[Richard Robertson]

The Borg are a race in the Star Trek series that take the best parts of humans and augment them with robotic parts. They strive to be "perfect".

[shanet]

The Borg are a race in the Star Trek series that take the best parts of humans and augment them with robotic parts. They strive to be "perfect".

um... ok...

Star Trek is a bit before my time.

[PsaltyDS]

um... ok...

Star Trek is a bit before my time.

Aww, you didn't have to go and say that. Now I feel all OLD 'n stuff.

[Richard Robertson]

Star Trek saved my life. Literally. I was sleeping on the couch where my dad stayed up to watch Star Trek one night. I had a potentially fatal seizure that night and my dad was able to get emergency help.

[Info]

Star Trek saved my life. Literally. I was sleeping on the couch where my dad stayed up to watch Star Trek one night. I had a potentially fatal seizure that night and my dad was able to get emergency help.

[MvGulik]

nevermind.

Edited June 28, 2011 by iEvKI3gv9Wrkd41u

[bo8ster]

Wow - just finished reading the thread. We need some new material for

@danielkza - totally agreed, windows GUIs are a pain in the ass, even getting our head round the MSDN sux.

[Richard Robertson]

The MSDN is fine. What problems are you having with it?

[bo8ster]

I have found there is a lot to know when reading the functions. Some are simple enough others require more thought and should be explained better. I would like to see better examples - more then

"DllImport("user32.dll", CharSet=CharSet.Auto, SetLastError=true)]

public static extern int GetWindowThreadProcessId(HandleRef handle, out int processId);"

Other APIs (and i'm not getting into a pissing contest over which is better) show full examples.

Example are - ha, when I was trying to find out how the ClassNN from windows - ha that was funny! I spent some time looking for the "getClassNN" function, Valik set me straight though. That may be a bad example but I did have difficulty following it all because function prototypes alone are not that helpful. (I see that with custom Java libraries - blank java doc and it shits me! Why create Java doc if it is blank!).

Another time was when I was having issues with ChildWindowFromPoint - turns out I needed to use RealChildWindowFromPoint with some extra params. I'm not the one to post every issue I have, I like to work things out myself - admittedly this may have compounded my issues ... Thankfully zackrspv found some code martin posted which solved the issue. Looking at the site alone, I would not have been able to work it out, I needed the full example.

I guess its like any API (C++ STL, Java) - its all foreign language until you spend some quality time with it. That said, windows is not exactly simple so it does stands to reason it would not be easy.

My 2 cents - i'll stop bitching now

Edit: I always find the mistakes after I posted, don't ask why.

Edited April 21, 2011 by bo8ster

[Richard Robertson]

I don't know of any MSDN page that would list that incorrectly declared function reference.

[bo8ster]

I don't know of any MSDN page that would list that incorrectly declared function reference.

What do you mean? If you are referring to the "getClassNN" function there is none - I was looking for a function name along those lines. There was a function to get everything else, not the ClassNN - I didn't know that AutoIt made up ClassNN.

[Richard Robertson]

"DllImport("user32.dll", CharSet=CharSet.Auto, SetLastError=true)]

public static extern int GetWindowThreadProcessId(HandleRef handle, out int processId);"

This is what I was referring to.

[bo8ster]

Taken from http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms633522%28v=vs.85%29.aspx - C# syntax.

Not commenting on the correctness of the code, just saying that alone not very helpful to understand the function.

[Valik]

Do you complain about AutoIt lacking suitable Windows API documentation for use with DllCall? It seems like your complaint about MSDN would be the same thing. This doesn't look like a .NET specific function but rather something .NET let's you access similar to how AutoIt let's you access the Windows API.

[bo8ster]

Do you complain about AutoIt lacking suitable Windows API documentation for use with DllCall? It seems like your complaint about MSDN would be the same thing. This doesn't look like a .NET specific function but rather something .NET let's you access similar to how AutoIt let's you access the Windows API.

No, AutoIt has good doco regarding the MSDN DLL calls mainly because examples are included, mostly. Granted not all functions have examples however the ones i've been interested have or they have been simple enough to work it out.

Simplistic example - is GetDlgCtrlID.

MSDN has a description and syntax only. (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms645478%28v=vs.85%29.aspx)

AutoIt has a description, syntax and a full example you can download and run.

[Richard Robertson]

Taken from http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms633522%28v=vs.85%29.aspx - C# syntax.

Not commenting on the correctness of the code, just saying that alone not very helpful to understand the function.

That is community content. And whoever uploaded it needs to stop programming.

[Valik]

I assume you miss the part where it provides a link to source showing an example. Most functions on MSDN are demonstrated but it is usually several functions in a single example.

Keep in mind that if the example isn't for your desired language, well, neither is the documentation.

Lastly, regarding AutoIt. I wasn't talking about documented functions, of course. I was talking about using DllCall directly, not functions where we provide a wrapper

Edited April 27, 2011 by Valik

[bo8ster]

I assume you miss the part where it provides a link to source showing an example. Most functions on MSDN are demonstrated but it is usually several functions in a single example.

Keep in mind that if the example isn't for your desired language, well, neither is the documentation.

Lastly, regarding AutoIt. I wasn't talking about documented functions, of course. I was talking about using DllCall directly, not functions where we provide a wrapper

1. Yes, on that page I did miss the example section. I went to the example section (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms644996%28v=VS.85%29.aspx#init_box) and as with other MSDN examples I have seen there are ellipsis in the code.

2. True

3. I'll make it simple.

Do you complain about AutoIt lacking suitable Windows API documentation for use with DllCall?

No. I don't believe this is AutoIT's responsibility either.